The expert century"

Mr. LiuGuangXin--traditional Chinese medicine Chinese culture

        Welcome to walk into the century expert ", here is the feast of thoughts, here is the palace of academic. Han drama the popularity of "da changjin" a surprising effect is, to the Chinese people for the traditional a passion. Despite a history of several thousand years of traditional Chinese medicine is a Chinese martial, although even in traditional Chinese medicine today is still in this and create a medical miracle, although Chinese medicine westerners call "fifth great inventions", but unfortunately, today, be Chinese medical, nourishing to generations of Chinese on it more and more strange. An unavoidable reality is that, for more than a century, Chinese medicine have been marginalized. So, what is the traditional Chinese medicine, what is its where is the way out? Today's century expert ", we are very pleased to invite senior research fellow at the institute of Chinese medicine in China, Mr. LiuGuangShen. Welcome you, Mr. Lu.

        First of all, we through the big screen, with Mr. LiuGuangShen come to find out.

        LiuGuangShen professor, 1926 was born in zhejiang, is a contemporary of traditional Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine academy of sciences famous senior researcher, served as a senior adviser to the central BaoJianJu. He was 18 years old, visit, from early LiuYuanLei, male, XuHeng chapter times of traditional Chinese medicine and all, 50 s and was admitted to Beijing medical university system study western medicine theory. After more than half a century of clinical work and theory study, LiuGuangShen professor by its exquisite medical skill and unique medical ideas in China's reputation, is recognized as one of the China's figures.

        Host: lu old, just in short of, we know that you was born in 1926, the calculate to calculate this year should already be old age of 80. But see you, I think if you don't know your age, you might think that only 50 s don't know so young appearance and the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's art is about?

        Lu: maybe. I want to, first is parents chose to genetic factors, the second is the state of mind, the third? This door knowledge of traditional Chinese medicine was a great help to me.

        Host: give you what kind of help?

        Lu: one is to eat very few, eat less, the second, basically nothing too much taboo. JiangTaiGong called baiwujinji, don't make so much discipline, natural and unrestrained point, a free and easy.

        Host: the earliest you is how walk up Chinese medicine this way?

        Lu: I used to learn the work, in Japan, resistance, I learn not go down, our school factory is the Japanese confiscated, where I live by the Japanese military police surrounded, so I fled. Fled after the home have no matter to do? Parents say, you have to learn a skill it, learn to mix a meal eat, how to do? Learn a free class, so the school of traditional Chinese medicine.

        Host: the later you into the university to study the theory of western medicine, do you feel the does not adapt, do you feel some theory with you for doing obeisance teacher, actually in practice in the process of learning to some practical skills, is actually not so the same, there is a conflict?

        Lu: I to the north, it is the central health ministry of traditional Chinese medicine to the national 600000 that plans to find 60 people engaged in traditional Chinese medicine research work. In fact didn't recruit full 60 people, the only recruit the 43 people. Why? To Beijing medical university to learn, to learn western medicine. Purpose is to accept the thinking method of western medicine, which have a rival the frame of reference, like a mirror, when you have a mirror after, you can find his face things.......

        Host: you through the mirror, find out what, see?

        Lu: after my graduation, has been in the western cinema for 30 DuoNian, were beaten with western medicine to work with, the more through the mirror inside of the medicine is more feel a a wealth of all over the world.

        Host: all these years? Mr. Lu is south and north, has been to many places in the world, I want to go to a different place may also come to realize that in different places of the world people for Chinese medicine is how to read, what to have things make you special deep impression, let you feel particularly proud of, think Chinese medicine is actually our national treasure, should make it a good is the most stay?

        Lu: traditional Chinese medicine should be said the current situation is wall blossomming inside the wall sweet, around the world, about 140 DuoGe countries have a Chinese, I 90 s to the United States, I found that many of the chocolates we originally I of western medicine fellow, some make orthopaedic, some anything else, have been there when the traditional Chinese medicine to, with traditional Chinese medicine for local people to service. I think this is a very happy things. So I say Chinese medicine is more and more expansion team, especially abroad, but home is not necessarily. Many domestic fellow Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine seems to lack confidence in himself, his basic reason is the lack of practice, with the lack of traditional Chinese medicine thinking method to solve the problems in the practice, he has no edge from here to taste blood, probably is such a problem.

        Host: I see Mr. Lu so DuoNian to as an old Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese medicine has a very deep to the experience, so I want to, then let us together? To welcome Mr. LiuGuangShen speaking to us "Chinese traditional and the way out."

        Lu: "Chinese traditional and the way out of the subject, the society is very concerned about the, or what is traditional Chinese medicine was, what is true colors. Why carry this problem? I bold say 1, one hundred years, in fact we traditional landscape of traditional Chinese medicine is a distortion, twisted, including our textbooks, to be frank. So I want to "Chinese traditional and way out", I change a question to answer, that TCM is how was spared, is it more realistic? One hundred years we suffered what distress? The first is in 1912 we set the course of college when the education system of traditional Chinese medicine rejection outside, including our Beijing university. Then everyone petition against to the ministry of education, education minister at the time that WangDaXie, traditional Chinese medicine is determined to repeal, need not Chinese traditional medicine, this is education to traditional Chinese medicine first operation. In 1929, nanjing government, just now I said is the northern government in 1912, nanjing government passed a "repeal YiAn in", from the traditional Chinese medicine abolished. So why two government to the traditional Chinese medicine are so cruel? Reason, Chinese medicine not science. The "Chinese medicine not science" proposition how come of? From such a few questions. First, liang qichao was ask a question, that is to say Chinese medicine "can do the disease", although you cure disease, but no one is able to the right of the disease of traditional Chinese medicine, cure ill truth clearly, this problem is called "liang qichao's problem". Then the next 1915 years, Chen duxiu's "for young of a letter" inside out, this is because Chinese medicine don't know science, or the Chinese medical don't know science. Reason has three, first article don't understand the structure of the human body, no anatomy, no anatomical location. In other words, no now the role of the pharmacological said at 8 o 'clock. Article 2, do not take the medicinal properties of analysis, no drug chemical analysis, or call ChengFenLun, effective ChengFenLun. Article 3, "fungus poisonous infect more unsung and", bacteria and the spread of the disease had not heard of traditional Chinese medicine, accord with the facts? The truth, because the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's occurred in five thousand before they appear, not the latest in five hundred. Recently the since five hundred, from 1543 in the structure of the human body, we start the Chinese medicine no wait, no, can't wait until the anatomy of the human body, the analysis of the medicinal fungus poisonous and the infection. Next, also is our at Peking University, hu shi, hu shi said such a few words, said Chen duxiu's traditional Chinese medicine don't know science, hu shi said western medicine can cure, can make clear what his disease, the disease where, what property, what reason, although not cure, but western medicine is the science. Because it answered disease where, what property, what reason, from the point of view of epistemology is the science. Traditional Chinese medicine? And he said Chinese medicine ah, can be cured his disease, that is to say he doesn't know what the disease. Traditional Chinese medicine is the disease in said it was not clear what place, what property, what reason, is not traditional Chinese medicine etiology, pathogenesis, a disease, no anatomy, it not science of traditional Chinese medicine. So Chinese medicine not science, strictly speaking is Chinese medicine don't know disease, so not science.

        Lu: so in 1935, the law of the medical journal in the editor-in-chief of the show made "medical waste in medicine theory". Waste, to destroy the what? Traditional Chinese medicine diagnosis and treatment of thought, Chinese medicine has five lines of Yin and Yang, three of the nine hou strange, as traditional Chinese medicine theory and the diagnosis of waste to spare, and the diagnosis of traditional Chinese medicine theory useless, TCM diagnosis theory don't know this disease in any place, and the diagnosis of Yin and Yang is five line. Second, healing will ask this, such as drug use. The two words, the treatment of traditional Chinese medicine as a waste of thoughts and ideas to spare. Well, the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's diagnosis, treatment, thought all have no, but Chinese medicine can cure disease, this also acknowledged. He said the word of cure ill in where? Is the drug prescription, in drug prescription. So the medicine, the use of drugs, to promote the domestic drug and to spare, and so with modern scientific methods to study TCM. Since the 20 th century, basically is to use the etiology, pathogenesis, disease of disease diagnosis and treatment of a taxonomic thought to study traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture effective study didn't effect, effectively in any place. After liberation, first pharmacological learning to communicate the the major medical colleges and research institutions and the achievements of the Chinese traditional medicine screening, the so-called screening, and pharmacological screening, is using the etiology, pathogenesis, a disease of the pharmacology, is can't eliminate causes, and can't correct pathology, can function in at eight, such a concept of traditional Chinese medicine pharmacology screening results, very badly, the vast majority of the traditional Chinese medicine is a negative result, this sentence is very polite of, is no effect,. A few positive results, a little effect, than the similar of western medicine is greatly as, a little step-down role than a bottle of gung, b, a little fall blood sugar role than a little insulin, a little anti-inflammatory effect, the effect of antiseptic, as a bit of penicillin, finished. In 1961, in 1962, the Chinese medicine work when a landslide, the original into a hospital of traditional Chinese medicine from the most, but is very strange, the Soviet union the far east research institute of northeast we 3 gout drug, one is jilin ginseng, one is the liaoning fructus schisandrae, a stab of heilongjiang five plus. They do the experiment found three phenomenon, one, high blood can down, lower blood pressure can go up, two, blood sugar high can come down, the low blood sugar can go up, the high white blood cells can down, white blood cells low can go up, the three phenomenon. The British "New Science" magazine published an article, he quoted the Soviet research we northeast of the 3 gout drug, and it said, ginseng in Chinese medicine is that as the king of medicine, top grade, it was so, because Chinese medicine emphasizes in the stability of the environment is to resist disease is better than cure disease, homeostasis, steady, rather than directly to treat disease, this is the s. Why 60 s will appear so a proposition? 60 s is a major academic transformation problem, it is the first, Hudson is card issued the "silent spring," and "silent spring," revealed what, revealed in agronomy pesticide and fertilizer inside the scourge of brought, this need not launch. The medical profession to agriculture for learning, he found that we used the medical profession of so-called antibiotics and so on is equivalent to what pesticides, our hormones, vitamin equivalent to chemical fertilizer, so people will alert, say to 70 s found that drug disease, drug problem pollution, now that the WHO said, the global death a third mainly comes from the use of the drug is not reasonable, the scourge of drugs. What brought the scourge of drugs? Drugs out a large, update, and soon the new medicine, new medicine out no three to five years and over, from sulfa-drugs to penicillin, has been to vancomycin, life is very short, the life is that it is very short, very high ranking, therefore, the study of expenses is very high also, so as to constantly improve the medical expenses.

        The results of the rising medical costs and brought to the unfair distribution of social service, rich people treat, the poor is because of sickness poor, poor because the anti-poverty, this proposition is become the contemporary world of medical crisis, the medical crisis have been in 93, have 14 countries an international research plan, this international research project of the topic call??????? "The purpose of the medical review", is whatever is medicine? Make the thousands of years of medicine, medical exactly is stem what of, "the purpose of the medical review" special mention the contemporary world of medical crisis stems from the modern medical pattern of disease in the technology rule the long-term consequences of the medicine. What is the technology for disease? But the investigation is technology and treatment technology. What call investigation technology? Is to invite trouble, now we invented the instrument, leave no stone unturned invite trouble, then we invented drug, bucking ChuEWuJin.

        Lu: so the idea is very good, but the effect? Effect not line, this just said, bring a world health crisis. So precisely because of this case, from the 60 s in the 70 s, people put forward the proposition, is so rampant drug disease, from where to find the key of the health, the proposition to come, don't assume a medical to where to find the key of the health, and not just invite trouble, such a proposition, so the western actually constantly in thinking about the problem. But it's hard to, how the disease to the health and medical medical transformation? This is our traditional Chinese medicine to bring proposition, bring a historical responsibility and the responsibility of the world.

        Lu: with western medicine are not the same, western medicine is to invite trouble, ChuEWuJin. Traditional Chinese medicine is working to uncover, try to improve. Seek them, try to improve, the two words comrade MAO zedong in 1958 is one of the problems of traditional Chinese medicine instructions, said Chinese medicine is our this great treasure, it is and should seek them, try to improve, the eight words to me very inspired, traditional Chinese medicine is distress, is because it is not to invite trouble, ChuEWuJin, it is to explore, to improve, so the traditional Chinese medicine is working to uncover, try to improve. Try to discover what, you try to discover the body's own defense disease-resistant ability, is there, that he said in 93, the United States invited me to give lectures and give me a topic, called healing force, is that the man is self healed ability, you wound good, who long good, be yourself long good, right?

        Lu: so the traditional Chinese medicine, to cap it is to try to explore, to improve, so its diagnosis and treatment is thought keeping in good health, health care, healing, will ask in this, it is a practice will ask on this, and not in the epistemology will resort, which is an important distinction. So two songs, a song is, where do you come from, rightness, this is a western thinking. Oriental thinking what??? Don't ask me where you are from, because life is, with the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's statement that god would not go back to, back to the person not turn, life can only go forward, time is irreversible, today is February 28, after this day, have no, can only go forward, time pull don't come back. Life is, growth strong old already, growth of collection, can only go forward, so regret medicine can't eat. But the western science in the material of scientific achievements, gave us a thinking method, that is, one, to look back and asked the where come of, this table from where come of, second, what it is, say what it is raw material, what ingredients, is the micro entity essence, disease where, cellular, molecular, go down. Third, the reason is clear, the current causal theory, the disease of how bacteria, virus, disease how good, prescription drugs, well, SARS, bird flu, we on the its virus, and then put this all the kill kill, bird, chicken, the kill killed, and has the virus ah, but the agriculture department that day in the TV said, now global bird flu, death more than 100, with how much, infected with HIV is 10 million, 10 million is more than 100 death rate, it's a tip phenomenon. So in other words, 10 million inside, most people don't get sick, only a few people sick. We now, we now society brings the two big problems, one, propaganda the fear of disease, and, second, promotion of the drug dependence, medicine have yet, no medicine, are selling drugs, are making money selling drugs, doctor to make money by selling medicine, is a tragedy, and society to the disease on fear. This is to invite trouble, ChuEWuJin thinking methods.

        Lu:. Traditional Chinese medicine diagnosis and treatment of thought have a word to induce, is looking for a healthy key. This with our traditional Chinese culture and have what relation? Traditional Chinese culture and call heaven and earth praise moral cultivation, great moral cultivation of heaven and earth, and can produce life, this concept called of heaven and earth's greatness was born. Heaven and earth's greatness was born, we may not pay much attention to, but western philosophers mentioned a question, he said if the Chinese philosophy translated into English words, whether this statement, in the cosmic evolution during an most complex world, but he didn't write the original, I didn't write the original, the original Chinese is??????? No. I see, be of heaven and earth's greatness, born of heaven and earth is perfect cosmic evolution, the evolution of universe is the largest of a great event in the material world appeared in life, any life, this is a great event. So the traditional Chinese medicine, doctor: well, what call the doctor? Your object is born, so the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's diagnosis, Yin and Yang five line, it is not the entity theory, is not a disease medicine, not pathology, not anatomy,??? What??? Is the top level, the information level, adjust levels, steady state of the level up understanding of life, health and disease, this is a very high things, and ordinary people, the material of thinking people do not understand, so the so-called Yin and Yang five line is not scientific, you see, South Korea, he is the national flag of Yin and Yang, let's Chinese pie mouth, Yin and Yang five line pie mouth, in fact shows that you are very rude, you only the material level, you don't understand life.

        Lu: five line What Five line is god turned back on, the development process of life well, so the traditional Chinese medicine is a study of heaven and earth, perfect life, such a guiding traditional Chinese medicine diagnosis and treatment of thought theoretical basis, and you this lifetime stem what of, will praise yue of heaven and earth, so our country from 21 century started out to the scientific development concept, and two of them connotation, it is with the person this, it is with the person this, behind a subtext is long-term is with thing for this, now emphasizes that people first, by things up to people, is among the first born, not with no one. The second is the harmonious society, the harmony, the society where come of, is the greatness of heaven and earth's life, the life has two phenomena, the first called everything and education and not phase harm, all things and not harm and phase, the second, and all things in the door and growth, this is bearing DuoDa, you people live, let the bacterial viruses have to live, you kill them all? In a sense, the bacterial virus than you life, than you came to earth to early, billions of years to come, you just millions of years, and now you take it away, not madness? Kill them all? Second, the number of bacteria in your body is your cell number ten times, cell count, if is the power of ten 13, number of bacteria is 14 power, you kill them all? You are not madness? The more you killed, and ecological destruction, the ecological destruction, died in tiny ecosystem, not died in that, the above bacteria go, the bacteria come strength, speak more thorough point. The man ah, is in fact the bacteria, virus parasitic body, that's all, you of the one hundred, you NiuQi what, you just two or ten thousand years of history, so if so, we have this kind of bearing, so we go with everything and education and not in harm, ups and downs with all grow in this environment, you live I also live,??????? Ecology. So the traditional Chinese medicine is a ecological medicine, is a health medicine, is a steady-state medicine, is a mobilization medicine, traditional Chinese medicine is a life problems, people-oriented and harmonious society, if our traditional Chinese medicine is the proposition is several thousand years of faithful to the study of the heaven and earth's greatness was born, faithfully execute great moral cultivation of heaven and earth, faithfully to looking for a healthy key, so poisonous medicine, what arsenic, I can also use it, right, lead, I can also use ah, the Chinese medicine is, now good, a have, says this is the poison of, kicked out, the poison of, kicked out, this kind of medicine is too childish, we the doctor's management, medical management it, we are basically in a material scientific level, and not into the science of life level. So the British Nature magazine editor of the interview, the xinhua news agency an interview with him, and say what is in the forefront of the 21 st century, 21 century the forefront of science, is life science and information science crossover, or life in the system of information science, traditional Chinese medicine is such a medicine, it is not matter, not energy, is the information.

        The question now is our young people in China to lack the confidence of Chinese national culture, it is one of the biggest crisis, it is the ego alienated, self affiliate, isn't it, western a what new, we modern, don't know for thousands of years the Chinese nation is the world among ethnic only history without interruption, culture without interruption of the nation, the nation, so indeed as expected distress, but can not die. The influence factors of human longevity and health, modern medical accounts for how much, only 8%, less than one 6, one 6 is 16.6%, it only 8%, so we do not, modern medical in the influence factors of human longevity and health accounts for only 8% of, so the medicine we need not have pride ah, no need to pride, you really cure disease is the patient's own, is the effect should be the grand, the pills for its outside, should be the effect of air, is the patient of cure, you rely on it, to help it, learn it. Wait until babaoshan, people age, completely is virtual, air to all, head live alone and said goodbye, this bubble in medicine soup also useless, you say medicine? Everything, so don't superstitious drugs, we now the question of the traditional Chinese medicine diagnosis and treatment to boost the thoughts that medical mode, its theoretical basis, it the basic theory of these drugs and methods are under the guidance of the theory of traditional Chinese medicine, people distort, is we have reduced to only medical under medical components. The disease is medical already disease under medical ah, Chinese medicine points 3 class, doctors cure the kingdom, and doctors cure is not ill on the disease, medical people of traditional Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine to the medical illness disease, are going to have to illness, medical is under medical already disease of the disease.

        Lu: the way out of traditional Chinese medicine, 16 words, generous, known tsinghua school motto right, generous, is you the virtue to thick Germany, you can put the matter of scientific achievements bring over here, not reject it. The second sentence, the whole and different, "ah, to close and different, the gentleman that close and different, SIMS is with, that the western science known as the only science, Chinese medicine no, that is the same and not, traditional Chinese medicine has the bearing, close and different, all kinds of knowledge, physics, chemistry, I also want, put in the appropriate location, close and different, and, emphasis is comprehensive, integrated. The third sentence, strives constantly for self-improvement, the Chinese nation in the 21 st century key problem is self consciousness problem, the ego's main body consciousness problem, by fei xiaotong speak to professor is the culture independent problem, the cultural consciousness of problem, the determination, every man is his own self-sufficient master, don't do JiaGui, don't crawl in somebody else's feet. Strive constantly for self-improvement. Fourth, beyond containing, medicine is science? Medicine is necessary to be a science? Medicine is for a science needs to be restored? This is 1998 foreign three articles. Our traditional Chinese medicine was scientific pressure on traditional Chinese medicine, not science, so the recent academy of traditional Chinese medicine academy of sciences into, Chinese medicine academy of sciences is that? And I said there is a problem, TCM is what science, TCM is the science which door, which section of the study, the problem can't afford to cross-examine. But the scientific attitude, scientific method, the spirit of science, we should agree, so if we do this, generous, close and different, strives constantly for self-improvement, beyond containing, individual is so, traditional Chinese medicine also is such. ,

        Host: thank you Mr. Lu today is the traditional Chinese medicine and way out "to give the speech we. In fact, the traditional Chinese medicine, now have a lot of friends are particularly concerned with, so today, we also collect a lot of users, he said he also will go to see a doctor often hospital, it is the past ah, he said but each walked into the hospital, it was found that the hospital as let him go to do all kinds of western medicine do those who check, and give him out? Of? The medicine and often are the western medicine, so he will feel said the hospital is covered with XiYiYuan, ah, the hospital is covered with the traditional medicine hospital coat of XiYiYuan, though it may be a bit of a mouthful, but I feel like also something, that if this is so, he would ask you, what still need to go to see the traditional Chinese medicine.

        Lu: in the United States in South Korea, you are Chinese, you are Chinese, you open Chinese medicine prescription is, you can't use the western medicine, we have a high hospital in Germany, Bavaria, ten years, that I will open Chinese traditional medicine, right. That is can not western medicine it, don't use Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine don't use the western medicine, someone suggested that, but because of western medicine in a main body status, Chinese medicine to be the criticism, saying that you don't understand disease: well, so studied western medicine. But learn western medicine later, plus the society to western medicine recognition, to the traditional Chinese medicine don't understand, so produced this situation, I can't blame the hospital, also can't blame the doctor, the problem is that his lack of confidence of traditional Chinese medicine. There is a problem, the society. For example you inflammation, you don't have to antibiotics, finally get even with you, understand? This is a social, so a sense BiLiangWeiChang, not his personal problems.

        Host: but there are in a word, we heard for a long time, my impression, from when I was young will hear, often can some people say that combine traditional Chinese and western medicine, combine traditional Chinese and western medicine, what good curative effect and so on, this sentence you believe?

        Lu: I feel like this, according to the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's world view, we Chinese medicine emphasizes the Yin and Yang, emphasize the sum of Yin and Yang, negative Yin and Yang embrace all things, then and the combination of western medicine, of course than separation well, is it, a male and a female form a family to have what not good? You have to take them apart, so of combining traditional Chinese and western medicine is good, the problem is carried out.

        Lu: how to perform. In 1998, zhu rong2 ji prime minister of the proposed a proposition, is that the government work report put forward in a proposition, call to the development of Chinese medicine, and promote the combination of Chinese and western medicine, I am the CPPCC national committee, I discussed in a speech, I added four words, only to the development of Chinese medicine, can promote combine traditional Chinese and western medicine. The result, discussed the later, our health vice minister he told me, they also do discuss ah, say you, LaoLiu ah, you are in the minority, they think of combining traditional Chinese and western medicine to the development of Chinese medicine, in my opinion, only to the development of Chinese medicine can promote combine traditional Chinese and western medicine, like a barrel theory, integrated traditional Chinese and western medicine in the barrel, if the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's this bucket is short, so instead of combining traditional Chinese and western medicine, our integrated traditional Chinese and western medicine in Chinese medicine is very low, so now combine traditional Chinese and western medicine, no, there is no good Chinese medicine, responsibility in Chinese medicine, if have very good Chinese medicine, good western medicine, this combination is of course to common people have the advantage, therefore I am in favor of combine traditional Chinese and western medicine, but the Chinese themselves think I this shallow a little knowledge of western medicine, traditional Chinese medicine is a little shallow knowledge of combining traditional Chinese and western medicine? That is false, the fake and inferior.

        Host: well, thank you and we net friend do exchange, thank you. Today at the scene, I know that there are many friends may either learn Chinese medicine professional, or is very interested in Chinese medicine. If a have a question to and Mr. Lu to comprehend, please raise your hand.

        Question 1: lu old, I would like to ask you a question. It was in 2003 when, the world range SARS is rampant, and finally we Chinese medicine after intervention, and good results have been achieved. Long ago I saw a report, which means that we Chinese traditional Chinese medicine in henan province this in pure Chinese medicine treatment have AIDS made a good curative effect such a thing. So I would like to ask you, let's now is the worldwide pandemic bird flu, whether we can also use pure Chinese medicine of the reason we method, herbs, to conquer such a problem? Thank you.

        Lu: the three disease basically is viral disease. At the start of the SARS, we get a guangzhou institute of traditional Chinese medicine, professor at the university of traditional Chinese medicine to science and technology to report. But in Beijing? And it listed as the infectious disease administration law, as infectious diseases. The infectious disease administration law no infectious disease hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, you can't step in, so we give the central wrote a report, so for this kind of viral disease, it should be said that the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine's way more, I have two words, words that give way out of policy, the second sentence that don't close the door at the dog, it's in many journalists to interview me, from my point of view, is when the body is in a fever, in this, is you help to give him a way, give way out of policy, don't close the door at the dog, in which hard killed, and tried to kill, the result you all the internal organs of the damaged. Then he said, how TCM prevention? I said this disease is not proceed to the lung? However in the former, the upper respiratory tract defence function normal word, it is not just not at this lung? Is it? Well, then improve the upper respiratory tract defence function what way? I say very simple ah, cold water washs a face, hot feet blisters, adhere to the cold water washs a face, hot feet blisters, and then smoked a bit vinegar. That said you'll have a prescription, ok, I'll have a prescription, a radish, a orange peel, 3 slices ginger, two pieces of leaf of, again to some parsley, have a pot of soup, everybody family to eat. Well, the result in a TV after go out, the Inner Mongolia turnip up to eight yuan a kilo, I say good, common people, let them earn some money right, farmers are too bitter, and no medicine, is food. I think for viral disease, Chinese medicine should be of advantage can play it, key, really learn the basic fields of traditional Chinese medicine.

        Host: well, thank you.

        Question 2: lu old, how do you do, very honoured to be here today to hear you excellent lecture. I have a problem is you can discuss the development of traditional Chinese medicine and traditional Chinese cultural Renaissance relationship? Thank you.

        Lu: traditional Chinese medicine, thousands of years of growth, development, which is in the Chinese culture among the development of soil took root. And culture, I said just now, the culture of culture, the Latin intent is cultivation, is raising, Old English is hard, and in fact for the cultivation of the organism. This kind of cultural background, it is not only the material science is the thing, is the right, but the life of a great moral cultivation of heaven and earth, liu zongyuan has an article, called the plant trees GuoTuoTuo preach ", the name of the man guo bow-backed, he kind of tree species so beautiful, kind of a tree, incredibly lush, being asked him, you rely on what, shun the sex, the sex is the said the sex of the crops to, when to earth up, when fertilization, when this, right, all have this, so the concept of time is especially important. Morning and afternoon, not the same, rightness, this solar term with the throttle different, this traditional Chinese medicine treatment is such. So said the revival of the Chinese culture, it will be possible to traditional Chinese medicine will progress. But in contrast, if we in key, about human longevity and health of such a medical, if be more DuoRen acceptance, that the revival of the Chinese culture can bring up, they are interacted on each other, don't know right.

        Moderator: thank you, thank you.

        Question 3: today is very happy to hear? You talk about this. So now the society, I think the pressure, the power of the competition is heavy, so said there is now a noun that the health, is everyone's psychological pressure to bear ability is not so good, so just heard lu said the body of the old steady, so please talk about your this body, quiet, or heart body is blundering, so in this body of steady state of maintaining the status of DuoDa?

        Lu: now there are many diseases related to psychological factors, and psychological pressure on the, western so big number of depression that anxiety, depression have suicide, now kid all so, children read nursery school, children he not on the words, he committed suicide, you said this, this not line, psychological very fragile. So don't put the disease and health just as the body, or the physical and chemical problems, psychological factors in the growth of the people in his health and maintain in other important, or we can say psychology decides everything, cancer the first question is what? Tumor way, the first is frighten to death, this diagnosis way, the patient a look, family members a look, the doctor a look, well, scared to death. So Susan sontag's wrote a book called the disease metaphor ", the 70 s, the Susan sontag's recently has just died, her breast cancer 39 years, she said the disease, cancer ah, the first to come is a 50% surrender, frighten to death, and then radiation therapy, chemotherapy, poisoning, and then what also can't eat any more, starve to death, this is not inevitable. So whether you are what a disease, including cardio-cerebrovascular disease, psychological factors especially strong, so there is now a called psychological immunology, right, when you have a positive mental state, its immune function is good. So you just asked me, my room is??????? Art, I think mentality is important, with common people common words, rough words, is MeiXinMeiFei.

        Host: well, thank you MeiXinMeiFei you this health tips and today we all of you here today to share, thank you very much, thank you.

        "Modernization of traditional Chinese medicine" is a lift for too long slogan, but where is the traditional Chinese medicine, but to be forgotten accidentally, but lost the traditional Chinese medicine or Chinese medicine it? Let us be moved, lu old 80 years old, still in the future for Chinese medicine and way out actively looking for cures, I want to have this kind of spirit, the revival of the Chinese medicine is not without hope, we thank you again for land old, thank Mr. Lu today came to the expert century "to give the speech we, of course, and thank you to today we on the site you Beijing university of Chinese medicine and Beijing university teachers and students. Next week at the same time, the expert century "we goodbye, thank you.